FAST56K, has he been BANNED?

[AZCHARGER]

I believe that Carl (FAST56K) has been banned?Is this true?

[HIGH_HEMI]

Is that true? If it is...I wonder what the reason was for the ban. If not true, I wonder where he has been?

[DAYTONA_R/T]

yesterday I noticed it said "banned user" under his name... my only guess is because he voiced his opinion on the dealership that is sponsoring the SoCal meet due to the fact they sold his car out from under him....

[El Tino]

can we get the link, i would like to see why he was banned.

[jpagan]

Why? I dont think it was because of the complaint he made about the Dealer. I have seen worst complaint here. people insulting each other and they dont get banned.

[mighty noid]

Yes he has been banned from the forum.

The thread or post that he used has been removed as well.

You will need to ask ekool the reason why. He is the only person that can explain it.

[AZCHARGER]

I got this e-mail from Carl......Mike, Thanks for your support. I tried to post the following in my SRT-8 production number thread, but something didn't work right. If you would post my response to GHLS, I would appreciate it. I offer a solution. You might say "message from Carl." 1. The issue with a participant in an event does NOT allow anyone to interject that beef into the event. The "event people" have not jack to do with it, and should NOT have to be involved. A. Au Contrair. Fatchance was the one who recommended Foothill Ranch to me in the first place. He bashed them in my thread when I described my situation, and then when I told him it was his buddies at Foothill, he flip flopped. He started all of this with his endorsement, and now he is endorsing them again at this event. 2. Last I checked, critisicsm of the dealership involved was allowed, and is still posted in the appropriate place, in its own thread. NOT in the thread about the event. A. Last you checked, I wasn't going to be banned. Suprise! 3. Signing back up under an alias, and pretending to be someone else, as noted, very bad move. As folks can see by the banned designation.A. I couldn't hardly post with my banned account! Using the name looKe which is eKool backwards and getting right back at the issue, I was hardly hiding. I have a solution. If Foothill Ranch will conduct a free raffle for a remote start kit, I will be happy. They obviously are too stingy to give me one. I just can't stand that customers can be treated like this without businesses like Foothill Ranch having to answer for their actions.PS: I can't contact eKool. I don't have an account to PM him with. I tried to reason with hemeee, but she called me a terrorist. eKool has my email addy though. Carl

[Dookie]

Money got him banned...It's ridiculous what they did, and when he wouldn't let it die, and an event they were sponsering came up, he spread the word...I would have done the same...ban him, still don't change the fact he got screwed by Foothill.

[ChargedUpInAZ]

Money got him banned...It's ridiculous what they did, and when he wouldn't let it die, and an event they were sponsering came up, he spread the word...I would have done the same...ban him, still don't change the fact he got screwed by Foothill.

Agreed... It's another example of the little guy getting screwed by the man with the deep pockets and them getting away with it... Better PR move for them to sponsor an event for hundreds of people than make it right with a customer they treated poorly....

Not knowing the whole story though, I understand the perspective of the moderators at the same time... It's just an all around bad situation.

[ChargedUpInAZ]

Money got him banned...It's ridiculous what they did, and when he wouldn't let it die, and an event they were sponsering came up, he spread the word...I would have done the same...ban him, still don't change the fact he got screwed by Foothill.

Double post...

[mighty noid]

This is the way I see it.

Yes he may have issues with that dealer, fine. But he wanted to bring it up at the M&G and inform the special guests that are flying in from DCX about how he feels.

These special guests are the designers of our cars not the complaint department for DCX. Write a letter to DCX, make phone calls to DCX and to Foothill about how unhappy you are. This is going to be a drama free event.

This is a M&G to meet fellow members and check out everyones rides with mods. Should not be a bitchfest to people that can not do anything about it.

This is going to be something special. DCX didn't have to let us use there parking lot for this HUGE EVENT or Foothill didn't have to offer up to pay for the food for ALL OF US. So if you have any issues with Foothill... don't eat the food that they are paying for.

That's my 2 cents...

[PaCharger]

Noid...i started my reply 3 times and just deleted each time. You said it best. Place, time, this was neither. I don't want to see anyone banned....well...there is one, but anyway....fast was a good guy, just did things the wrong way. No one wants anyone to be silenced, but he did have his share of warnings. Nuff typed.

[DAYTONA_R/T]

This is the way I see it.

Yes he may have issues with that dealer, fine. But he wanted to bring it up at the M&G and inform the special guests that are flying in from DCX about how he feels.

These special guests are the designers of our cars not the complaint department for DCX. Write a letter to DCX, make phone calls to DCX and to Foothill about how unhappy you are. This is going to be a drama free event.

This is a M&G to meet fellow members and check out everyones rides with mods. Should not be a bitchfest to people that can not do anything about it.

This is going to be something special. DCX didn't have to let us use there parking lot for this HUGE EVENT or Foothill didn't have to offer up to pay for the food for ALL OF US. So if you have any issues with Foothill... don't eat the food that they are paying for.

That's my 2 cents...

you are friends with HEMEEE and fatchance, so I understand you defending their request to have him banned, however block him from the GTG, dont ban him from the forum... IMHO, they are just making themselves look bad with doing this... Thats my 2 cents

[mighty noid]

OK well I never met Hemeee (I have seen her at 2 M&G's) and I talk to Fatchance at local M&G's and that's it. It is not like we are drinking buddies or anything... He is a great guy to me.

Trust me on this. I had NOTHING to do with getting him banned.

I also agree about banning him from the M&G on the 25th. As to banning him from the forum, I do not agree with that just for this. Maybe there is something else that went on behind the scenes that we don't know about and that is what got him banned.

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

Perhaps a PM discussion and scolding was in order here. Did we really have to ban this member. Seems many here think he's a good guy. After talking with him in chat, sounds like he got a bum deal.

The admins here can run this place how they see fit, but I and many others prefer some of the other LX site due to better management and handling of issues like this.

My opinion of course.

Off my soap box now. :silenced:

[DAYTONA_R/T]

The admins here can run this place how they see fit, but I and many others prefer some of the other LX site due to better management and handling of issues like this.


I would have figured you like some of the other LX sites because you have a 300 and not a charger? hehehe :D

[Rambit]

After reading the whole thread of what happened to this guy in his Xmas thread, I can see how disappointed he was. When he finally did get his car, he was all happy again suddenly. After that he wanted more restitution, or a bone as he would call it. I believe he lost a total of two days without a car, got exactly the car he wanted and for the agreed price. I was one of the first to get an 05 300C SRT8 a year ago. It was 2 days late coming in...big deal.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize what his intentions were in regards to the Meet & Greet, knowing full well the dealership was sponsoring it. I'm going to this thing, and driving all the way from Ontario, Canada. I would hate to think his intentions were to disrupt this this over his personal issues with the dealer. The people who are organizing this event (HEMEEE, fatchance & others) have worked tirelessly for the benefit of all of us who are going to it and I would quess they are not about to jepordize it's success. This is a private gathering and the companies who are sponsoring it are doing it out of generosity. My guess his banishment has a lot to do with his intentions, but that's just my guess. Probably most of the action was behind the scenes in PM's and we'll never know what happened. Using another identity is definately a no no though.

Rambit

[mighty noid]

Rambit,

Thanks for your comments and have a great and safe drive.

C'ya then.

[RonRacer]

:ninja: :ninja: whew:exercise: . i thought i would go first:nervous s Sorry fast. just sneak back:ninja: as 56kfast

[NYT]

im not a fan of the guy but i dont totally disagree with what he did or didnt do. if these people screwed me over, i would do whatever i could to make their life difficult in regards to sales, advertising, etc.

it doesnt matter that they are organizing a free meet and greet with a bunch of food, drinks, and dcx people. its all about one thing to them and that is SALES.

you can say they care about the community and that is why they are backing this event, but we all know it is designed to bolster their sales. plain and simple.

if i were 56k, i would go anyway. id set up shop next to their booths and talk to my fellow charger owners about what my personal experience was like with them. i wouldnt go crazy and make a scene, but i sure as hell would discourage any future sales to be thrown their way.

[HEMEEE]

I am speaking in this post as a fellow member and car enthusiast, not as a Moderator. I'll try to clear up some misconceptions by people making assumptions not based on facts. I did not choose this post to single anyone out, I chose it because it seems to encompass many of the thoughts and opinions being expressed, and the half-truths that started this entire fiasco in the first place. im not a fan of the guy but i dont totally disagree with what he did or didnt do. if these people screwed me over, i would do whatever i could to make their life difficult in regards to sales, advertising, etc.
As has been said earlier, I think the horse is dead, but he has every right... on his own dime and his own time. There is a proper time and a place and IMO the time was 3 MONTHS ago, when the situation occurred, and the place was at the dealership or up the chain of command with corporate in a business setting; NOT 3 months AFTER the fact at a private gathering of fellow forum members intended to provide a few hours of leaving the garbage of life behind to spend time together sharing the one common bond that brought us all together in the first place - our cars.

it doesnt matter that they are organizing a free meet and greet with a bunch of food, drinks, and dcx people. its all about one thing to them and that is SALES. you can say they care about the community and that is why they are backing this event, but we all know it is designed to bolster their sales. plain and simple.
This is a competely mistaken notion - Foothill Ranch did NOT organize this meet, nor did DCX or the forums... the FACT is this meet, like all the meets we have done prior, was organized by TWO people... me and fatchance. We began planning this event 5 months ago and have worked long and hard and at personal & financial expense to make this happen because we enjoy bringing these events to the members that ENJOY participating in them. Organizing the event and implementing it are two different things... to make the dream come true we need assistance. We have a loyal "committee" of people that help make it happen every time, and we have a core group of people that volunteer each time with equal enthusiasm and passion, this time more than ever because of the specialness of the venue, hosts and guests. This is the first event we have ever held that was not connected to an establishment where members could go inside and grab lunch and a drink, so Foothill Ranch generously offered to provide catering for us when they heard of our predicament - not only was this recent, but I know the cost and that bill is serious numbers! Reasonable people would simply say 'thanks, we appreciate it'. Any member registered for the event and reading this now that does NOT feel that way can send me a PM and back out... To further poke holes in the "This is about one thing and that is sales" theory, I will remind you that this event is not being held at a dealership. Who are they going to sell to??? We're already owners!!

if i were 56k, i would go anyway. id set up shop next to their booths and talk to my fellow charger owners about what my personal experience was like with them. i wouldnt go crazy and make a scene, but i sure as hell would discourage any future sales to be thrown their way.
Private event - Private property. There are no booths, there are no sales, there is no stage for drama and it is not the arena for self-serving,
retaliatory actions by a single person with his own personal agenda based on
his perception of a wrong that has nothing to do with us or this event. To actually plot to ruin a good time for fellow members, some of whom will have traveled far and at great expense, would be the epitome of spiteful, selfish and vindictive. To escalate that plan and attempt to instigate and incite fellow members to join in the sabotage is purely malicious.

fatchance and I promised this event would be memorable and it will be, but only for the RIGHT reasons: Good people enjoying good times...

[HEMEEE]

This reply comes from the Moderator me:

All of the ideas and thoughts and opinions about how or why this person, or that person was banned are based on nothing more than guesses, misinformation and speculation.

A ban is an administrative decision and the membership doesn't know what goes on behind the scenes during the warning/intervention process. The person that feels he was wronged is typically not going to give fellow members the full story, and the people that make the decisions SHOULD not give the membership the full story - it's a private matter and out of respect to ALL parties involved should remain private. That also means that only the parties involved know the FULL FACTS.

Administrators and Moderators have to do what's right for the board as a whole based on the situation and their knowledge and assessment of it. Once the warning/intervention process begins, and that person is made fully aware of what is expected to correct or prevent it, he/she then becomes the master of his/her own destiny by their choice of reaction and response.

Thanks for listening. Now I have some serious last minute planning to do and I hope you all find a fun and interesting discussion about Chargers...

[ekool]

I think Hemeee has already covered the topic, but the person was banned for failing to listen. Plain and simple.

Foothill is not a vendor on this forum and I have no financial incentive to protect them in the slightest. What we do have, is an obligation to protect an event thats around for fun for anyone with an LX, and thats what we are doing.

Every aspect of life has rules that must be followed, and when you fail to follow these rules, you will suffer some type of consequence or reaction.

Fast56k continues to try and tank this event by spreading negative words, feelings and attempting to (in my opinion) blackmail foothill into giving him SOMETHING (i have no idea what) by spreading misinformation and trying to portray them in a negative light.

The problem is that he is attempting to ruin the event if thats what it takes, which helps no one and only hurts the community.

I've already discussed this in another thread and frankly I'm tired of all the misinformation. Everything you need is in this thread, so I dont expect there to be anymore threads related to this issue.